Friday, August 29, 2008

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Orissa, Kashmir: You Reap What You Sow..!

As I hear about the terrible atrocities in Orissa and watch equally sad and gruesome happenings in Jammu and Kashmir, I know it’s our politicians who are behind all this, who without remorse, without the least concern watch innocents butchered and burnt.

But my dear political friends you reap what you sow; when you sow hate you’ll reap hate and good reaps good like this story shows:

An incident took place during Ignacy Paderewski’s (November 18, 1860 - June 29, 1941) career. The famous Polish pianist agreed to play a concert organized by two Stanford University students working their way through college. Paderewski’s
manager said they would have to guarantee the artist a fee of $2,000.
The boys agreed and eventually the concert was held.
Though the two student promoters worked hard, they took in only
$1,600. Discouraged, they told Paderewski of their efforts and handed him the $1,600 with a note promising to pay him the balance of $400.
But the artist tore up the note and gave them back the $1,600. ‘Take
your expenses out of this,’ he said, ‘give yourselves each 10% of what’s left for your work, and let me have the rest.’
Years later, Paderewski was faced with feeding the people of his war-ravaged Poland. Amazingly, even before a request was made, thousands of tons of food were sent to Poland by the United States.
Paderewski later traveled to Paris to thank President Herbert Hoover, who headed up the US relief effort. ‘That’s all right, Mr. Paderewski,’ said Hoover, ‘I knew that the need was great. And besides, though you may not remember it, I was one of two college students whom you generously helped when I was in need!’
The story illustrates a law of successful living: sooner or later we reap what we sow. Paderewski reaped a harvest of kindness he had sown years before.

Those who sow love will eventually reap love.
Those who sow goodness will reap even more.

Those who sow fear and mistrust will reap an unwanted harvest later.

Yes, Mr Politician you will pay for what you are doing with the lives entrusted in your care, each child who lives in fear, each woman hiding in the jungle and each man who lies awake in terror night after night fearing for his family, hopes and prays that you will change your ways before the day that all you sow starts reaping in your hateful, spiteful lives.

Just as a Paderewski was rewarded for his kindness by the then President of the United States, you will also have to one day stand before your God who will chastise, castigate and punish you for what India is going through today..!

Please do give your response to this article in the ‘comments’ section below

Let others smile too : )

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One Response to “Orissa, Kashmir: You Reap What You Sow..!”

SHER SINGH AGRAWAL on August 29th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

Nicely written article and a very good religious instruction; however, which Indian politician, since independence specially, has changed his ways ; please name at least one! They only covered themselves in the mask of honesty and integrity and fooled the innocent people and public following the British policy of Divide and rule and got away with the murder, with the result that India stands where it is today.

(You may edit my comments; but kind publish. Thks.)


The words of the constitution need to be ammeded as follows (see the added words in italics):

''29. Protection of Interests of Minorities-( 1) Any section of the citizens residing in the territories of India or any part thereof having a distinct language, script, or culture of its own shall have the right to conserve the same as long as their religion or culture is not intending to convert the Vedic people or destroy the Vedic culture or Vedic cultural infrastructure.''

Need action to make such an ammendment.

jai sri krishna!

AyodhyaPrasad Tripathi wrote:
The murder of MARTYR SWAMI LAXMANANAND SARASWATI is sponsored by the Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution quoted below,
"Cultural and Educational Rights
''29. Protection of Interests of Minorities-(1) Any section of the citizens residing in the territories of India or any part thereof having a distinct language, script, or culture of its own shall have the right to conserve the same.''
The one of the real meanings of CULTURE as mentioned in Webster Dictionary is, ' the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group'
Those, who have taken oath of the Indian Constitution, cannot defend you.
Who are Good Muslims and Christians?
Leaders, reformers, saints, Media, Islamic and Missionary politicos and clerics are purposely deceiving humanity. The truth is not hidden, nor is it hard to find. Media is scared, clueless, and willfully ignorant at the cost of human eradication. Good Muslims and Christians would continue to wage Jihad and Mission until we stop them by eliminating their means and motivation. Means is petro dollars and Missionary funds and motivation is Koran and Bible. (Koran 8:39) and (Bible, Luke 19:27). If we do not retaliate, they would keep on killing Human races. No one could oppose the Constitution since 1950 A.D. which is aiding, abetting, harbouring, defending and promoting Christianity and Islam in Bharat.
Do you not feel that you are abusing your freedom fighters? I feel guilty when I see that the sacrifices of Ram Prasad Bismil, Bhagat Singh, Subhash, Chandra Shekhar Azad etc. could not materialize. When the financial racketeer Pratibha & cow & man-eater thief of Aamer Fort treasury Antonia Maino had to rule upon us, what was bad with Victoria or Elizabeth? What for our ancestors shed their bloods since 1857?
If you wish to survive, support Aryavrt Government.

Yours faithfully,
Ayodhya Prasad Tripathi, (Press Secretary)
Aryavrt Government
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Phone: (+91) 9868324025/9838577815
If you feel that this message be telecasted, donate us. Rush your contribution in the account of Manav Raksha Sangh Account No. 016001020168 ICICI Bank Ltd. Else keep ready for your doom. Remember! Whoever you are, you won't be able to save your properties, women, motherland, Vedic culture & even your infants. Choice is yours, whether you stick to dreaded usurper Democracy & get eradicated or survive with your rights upon your property, freedom of faith & life with dignity?

Thursday, August 28, 2008

five minute management course

Not so religious; but funny morals!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Assudo Bhatia
Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:04:03 -0700

--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Prahlad wrote:

From: Prahlad
To: "P Thakur"
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:06 PM


Lesson 1

A man is getting into the shower just as his wife is finishing up her shower, when the doorbell rings.

The wife quickly wraps herself in a towel and runs downstairs.

When she opens the door, there stands Bob, the next-door neighbour.

Before she says a word, Bob says, 'I'll give you $800 to drop that towel.'

After thinking for a moment, the woman drops her towel and stands naked in front of Bob, after a few seconds, Bob hands her $800 and leaves.

The woman wraps back up in the towel and goes back upstairs.

When she gets to the bathroom, her husband asks, 'Who was that?'

'It was Bob the next door neighbour,' she replies.

'Great,' the husband says, 'did he say anything about the $800 he owes me?'

Moral of the story :- If you share critical information pertaining to credit and risk with your shareholders in time, you may be in a position to prevent avoidable exposure.

Lesson 2

A priest offered a Nun a lift.

She got in and crossed her legs, forcing her gown to reveal a leg.

The priest nearly had an accident.

After controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg.

The nun said, 'Father, remember Psalm 129?'

The priest removed his hand. But, changing gears, he let his hand slide up her leg again.

The nun once again said, 'Father, remember Psalm 129?'

The priest apologized 'Sorry sister but the flesh is weak.'

Arriving at the convent, the nun sighed heavily and went on her way.

On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to look up Psalm 129. It said, 'Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory.'

Moral of the story :- If you are not well informed in your job, you might miss a great opportunity.

Lesson 3

A sales rep, an administration clerk, and the manager are walking to lunch when they find an antique oil lamp. They rub it and a Genie comes out.

The Genie says, 'I'll give each of you just one wish.'

'Me first! Me first!' says the admin clerk. 'I want to be in the Bahamas , driving a speedboat, without a care in the world.' - Puff! She's gone.

'Me next! Me next!' says the sales rep. 'I want to be in Hawaii , relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless supply of Pina Coladas and the love of my life.' - Puff! He's gone.

'OK, you're up,' the Genie says to the manager.

The manager says, 'I want those two back in the office after lunch.'

Moral of the story :- Always let your boss have the first say.

Lesson 4

An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing.

A small rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, 'Can I also sit like you and do nothing?'

The eagle answered: 'Sure, why not.'

So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.

Moral of the story :- To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.

Lesson 5

A turkey was chatting with a bull.

'I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree' sighed the turkey, 'but I haven't got the energy.'

'Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?' replied the bull. They're packed with nutrients.'

The turkey pecked at a lump of dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree.

The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch..

Finally after a fourth night, the turkey was proudly perched at the top of the tree.

He was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot him out of the tree.

Moral of the story :- Bull Shit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.

Lesson 6

A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field.

While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him.

As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was.

The dung was actually thawing him out!

He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy.

A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate.

Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Morals of the story :- 1. Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy.

2. Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.

3. And when you're in deep shit, it's best to keep your mouth shut!


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TARBOOJ KALPA - A soothing and cleansing agent

I trust water melons are abundantly available in your area. You may use it as an ayurved kalpa for your health as follows:

1. Buy a large tarbooj; divide it into four pieces. Eat as much as you can in one time; All day eat only tarbooj, if possible. You may eat one or two chapatis during lunch hour with the tarbooj but nothing else.

This tarbooj kalpa will work as a soothing and cleansing agent for your system.

But you must eat not just a few pieces but in large quantitites, as much as you can.

Of course, do not forget to take your daily medication and if necessary consult your doctor. You can continue this kalpa for 2/3 days or two three times in the season, to take full advantage of its benefits.

Wednesday, August 20, 2008




Worldwide Islamization technique
Remember the quotation from Albert Einstein and do what is right to preserve human dignity and honor irrespective of religion, cast or creed:

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it"

If India had not been partitioned, the Muslim population of (Undivided) India would have been 30% of total population. Right now it is divided into India, Bangladesh and Pakistan in that order.

Mass conversion of Dalit population (20% of the population of undivided India ) to Islam was a distinct possibility. Dr Ambedkar, the Leader of Dalits, was approached by Muslim leaders in this regard and he did give the proposal his consideration. That he did not accede to their request is another matter. Conversion to Islam was not a rarity then as it is now. Even Mahatma Gandhi's son had converted to Islam.

We could have been in the league of Ethiopia, Bosnia, Chad and Lebanon.

Just think about it


Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they begin to exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- Muslim 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

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Anti-Sonia ad: US court dismisses defamation suit

Indo-Asian News Service
Saturday, August 16, 2008, (_Washington_ (
ce/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080061825&ch=8/16/2008%2011:39:00%20PM) )A New Jersey
court has dismissed a $100 million defamation suit filed by the Indian
National Overseas Congress (INOC) for allegedly maligning Congress president Sonia
Gandhi, saying it has no locus standi to claim damages.

The defamation case arose from a full-page advertisement in the New _York_
8%2011:39:00%20PM) Times on October 6, 2007, levelling several charges
against Gandhi and her son Rahul during the _United_
Progressive Alliance (UPA) chairperson's visit to the UN.

( County Superior Court Judge Patricia
DelBueno Cleary Friday dismissed the case holding that INOC was not the proper
party and did not have the locus standi to bring a claim of defamation because
none of the statements were of or about it, Satyanarayana Dospati, one of the
defendants, said.

A detailed judgment would be made available next week. INOC was not
immediately available for comment.

INOC had filed two separate cases relating to the advertisement, one in New
Jersey and another in _New York_
( , seeking $100
million in actual, compensatory, and punitive damages in addition to costs and
disbursements, legal fees and other relief that the court might consider proper.

The defendants in the New Jersey case were the Hindu International Council
Against Defamation, Mahatma Gandhi International Foundation, Hindu
International Council Against Defamation, Mahatma Gandhi Center and Hindu Temple, Naresh
Sharma, Satyanarayana Dospati and Sunanda Thali whose names appeared on the

The case in New York was filed against Narain Kataria and Arish Sahani of
"Forum for Saving Gandhi's Heritage" whose names appeared in the advertisement.

Both INOC and defendants in the case filed in New York have already filed
written submissions and oral arguments are scheduled for October 2.

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Wednesday, August 20, 2008

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The Study of Political Islam
By Jamie Glazov | Monday, February 05, 2007

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI). CSPI’s goal is to teach the doctrine of political Islam through its books and it has produced a series on its focus. Mr. Warner did not write the CSPI series, but he acts as the agent for a group of scholars who are the authors.

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FP: Bill Warner, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Warner: Thank you Jamie for this opportunity.

FP: Tell us a bit about the Center for the Study of Political Islam.

Warner: The Center for the Study of Political Islam is a group of scholars who are devoted to the scientific study of the foundational texts of Islam—Koran, Sira (life of Mohammed) and Hadith (traditions of Mohammed). There are two areas to study in Islam, its doctrine and history, or as CSPI sees it—the theory and its results. We study the history to see the practical or experimental results of the doctrine.

CSPI seems to be the first group to use statistics to study the doctrine. Previous scientific studies of the Koran are primarily devoted to Arabic language studies.

Our first principle is that Koran, Sira and Hadith must be taken as a whole. We call them the Islamic Trilogy to emphasize the unity of the texts.

Our major intellectual breakthrough is to see that dualism is the foundation and key to understanding Islam. Everything about Islam comes in twos starting with its foundational declaration: (1) there is no god but Allah and (2) Mohammed is His prophet. Therefore, Islam is Allah (Koran) and the Sunna (words and deeds of Mohammed found in the Sira and Hadith).

Endless ink has been wasted on trying to answer the question of what is Islam? Is Islam the religion of peace? Or is the true Islam a radical ideology? Is a moderate Muslim the real Muslim?

This reminds a scientist of the old arguments about light. Is light a particle or is light a wave? The arguments went back and forth. Quantum mechanics gave us the answer. Light is dualistic; it is both a particle and a wave. It depends upon the circumstances as to which quality manifests. Islam functions in the same manner.

Our first clue about the dualism is in the Koran, which is actually two books, the Koran of Mecca (early) and the Koran of Medina (later). The insight into the logic of the Koran comes from the large numbers of contradictions in it. On the surface, Islam resolves these contradictions by resorting to “abrogation”. This means that the verse written later supersedes the earlier verse. But in fact, since the Koran is considered by Muslims to be the perfect word of Allah, both verses are sacred and true. The later verse is “better,” but the earlier verse cannot be wrong since Allah is perfect. This is the foundation of dualism. Both verses are “right.” Both sides of the contradiction are true in dualistic logic. The circumstances govern which verse is used.

For example:

(Koran of Mecca) 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity.

From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:

(Koran of Medina) 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!”

All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction—if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true.

No dualistic system may be measured by one answer. This is the reason that the arguments about what constitutes the “real” Islam go on and on and are never resolved. A single right answer does not exist.

Dualistic systems can only be measured by statistics. It is futile to argue one side of the dualism is true. As an analogy, quantum mechanics always gives a statistical answer to all questions.

For an example of using statistics, look at the question: what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual struggle or the jihad of war? Let’s turn to Bukhari (the Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war? Yes—97%. Is jihad inner struggle? Yes—3%. So if you are writing an article, you can make a case for either. But in truth, almost every argument about Islam can be answered by: all of the above. Both sides of the duality are right.

FP: Why, in your view, is there so much ignorance about the history and doctrine of political Islam in the West?

Warner: First, let’s see how ignorant we are about the history of political Islam. How many Christians can tell you how Turkey or Egypt became Islamic? What happened to the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned in Paul’s letters? Find a Jew who can tell you the Jewish history of dhimmitude (second class citizens who serve Islam). What European knows that white women were the highest priced slaves in Mecca? Everyone knows how many Jews Hitler killed, but find an unbeliever who can tell you how many died in jihad over the last 1400 years.

We are just as ignorant about the doctrine of Islam. An FBI agent gets two hours of training on Islam and most of that is how not to offend the imam. We are fighting in Iraq. Who utilizes the political, military doctrine of Islam to plan strategy? Who can find a single rabbi or minister who has read the Koran, Sira and Hadith? What governor, senator, congressmen or military leader displays a knowledge of the political doctrine of Islam? Try to find a course available in a college about Islamic political doctrine and ethics. Graduates are schooled in Islamic art, architecture, poetry, Sufism, and a glorious history that ignores the suffering of the innocent unbelievers. Graduates read comments about the Koran and Hadith, but do not read the actual doctrine.

FP: So why this ignorance?

Warner: Let’s start at the beginning. When Islam burst out of Arabia into a decaying Byzantine world, the unbelievers recorded it as an Arabic invasion. Similarly, the invasion of Eastern Europe was by Turks; the invasion of Spain was by Moors. Our scholars were incapable of even naming the invaders.

Mohammed killed every single intellectual or artist who opposed him. It was fear that drove the vast majority of the media not to reprint the Mohammed cartoons, not some imagined sensitivity. Fear is a fabulous basis for ignorance, but that is not enough to explain it all. What accounts for the almost psychotic aversion to knowledge about Islam? Beyond fear is the realization that political Islam is profoundly foreign to us.

Let’s examine the ethical basis of our civilization. All of our politics and ethics are based upon a unitary ethic that is best formulated in the Golden Rule:

Treat others as you would be treated.

The basis of this rule is the recognition that at one level, we are all the same. We are not all equal. Any game of sports will show that we do not have equal abilities. But everyone wants to be treated as a human being. In particular, we all want to be equal under the law and be treated as social equals. On the basis of the Golden Rule—the equality of human beings—we have created democracy, ended slavery and treat women and men as political equals. So the Golden Rule is a unitary ethic. All people are to be treated the same. All religions have some version of the Golden Rule except Islam.

FP: So how is Islam different in this context?

Warner: The term “human being” has no meaning inside of Islam. There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam.

There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.

By the way, this dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad. The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than human and therefore, it is easy to kill, harm or deceive the unbeliever.

Now mind you, unbelievers have frequently failed at applying the Golden Rule, but we can be judged and condemned on its basis. We do fall short, but it is our ideal.

There have been other dualistic cultures. The KKK comes to mind. But the KKK is a simplistic dualism. The KKK member hates all black people at all times; there is only one choice. This is very straightforward and easy to see.

The dualism of Islam is more deceitful and offers two choices on how to treat the unbeliever. The unbeliever can be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his cattle well. So Islam can be “nice”, but in no case is the unbeliever a “brother” or a friend. In fact, there are some 14 verses of the Koran that are emphatic—a Muslim is never a friend to the unbeliever. A Muslim may be “friendly,” but he is never an actual friend. And the degree to which a Muslim is actually a true friend is the degree to which he is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

FP: You mentioned earlier how logic is another point of profound difference. Can you touch on that?

Warner: To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic.

Since Islam has a dualistic logic and dualistic ethics, it is completely foreign to us. Muslims think differently from us and feel differently from us. So our aversion is based upon fear and a rejection of Islamic ethics and logic. This aversion causes us to avoid learning about Islam so we are ignorant and stay ignorant.

Another part of the aversion is the realization that there is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. If you are in a business deal with someone who is a liar and a cheat, there is no way to avoid getting cheated. No matter how nice you are to a con man, he will take advantage of you. There is no compromise with dualistic ethics. In short, Islamic politics, ethics and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate, it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.

The last reason for our aversion to the history of political Islam is our shame. Islam put over a million Europeans into slavery. Since Muslims can’t be enslaved, it was a white Christian who was the Turkish sultan’s sex slave. These are things that we do not want to face.

Jews don’t want to acknowledge the history of political Islam, because they were dhimmis, second class citizens or semi-slaves, just like the Christians. Jews like to recall how they were advisors and physicians to powerful Muslims, but no matter what the Jew did or what position he held, he was still a dhimmi. There is no compromise between being equal and being a dhimmi

Why should a Hindu want to recall the shame of slavery and the destruction of their temples and cities? After Hindu craftsmen built the Taj Mahal, the Muslim ruler had their right hands cut off so that they could not build anything as beautiful for anyone else. The practice of suttee, the widow throwing herself on the husband’s funeral pyre, came about as a response to the rape and brutality of the Islamic jihad as it sweep over ancient Hindustan.

Blacks don’t want to face the fact that it was a Muslim who rounded up their ancestors in Africa to wholesale to the white slave trader. The Arab is the true master of the African. Blacks can’t accept the common bond they share with whites: that both Europeans and Africans were slaves under Islam. Blacks like to imagine Islam is their counterweight to white power, not that Islam has ruled them for 1400 years.

Dualistic logic. Dualistic ethics. Fear. Shame. There is no compromise. These are the reasons we don’t want to know about Islam’s political history, doctrine or ethics.

FP So is there such a thing as non-political Islam?

Warner: Non-political Islam is religious Islam. Religious Islam is what a Muslim does to avoid Hell and go to Paradise. These are the Five Pillars—prayer, charity to Muslims, pilgrimage to Mecca, fasting and declaring Mohammed to be the final prophet.

But the Trilogy is clear about the doctrine. At least 75% of the Sira (life of Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari’s Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts.

Political Islam’s most famous duality is the division of the world into believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers, dar al harb. The largest part of the Trilogy relates to treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is political. There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak against Islam.

Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader.

In short, political Islam defines how the unbelievers are to be dealt with and treated.

FP: Can you touch briefly on the history of political Islam?

Warner: The history of political Islam starts with Mohammed’s immigration to Medina. From that point on, Islam’s appeal to the world has always had the dualistic option of joining a glorious religion or being the subject of political pressure and violence. After the immigration to Medina, Islam became violent when persuasion failed. Jihad entered the world.

After Mohammed’s death, Abu Bakr, the second caliph, settled the theological arguments of those who wished to leave Islam with the political action of death by the sword. The jihad of Umar (the second caliph, a pope-king) exploded into the world of the unbelievers. Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.

Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed.

The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great’s army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism.

Zoarasterianism was eliminated from Persia.

The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam.

In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad.

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school.

FP: How have our intellectuals responded to Islam?

Warner: The basis of all the unbeliever’s thought has collapsed in the face of Islamic political thought, ethics and logic. We have already mentioned how our first intellectuals could not even name the invaders as Muslims. We have no method of analysis of Islam. We can’t agree on what Islam is and have no knowledge about our suffering as the victims of a 1400-year jihad.

Look at how Christians, Jews, blacks, intellectuals and artists have dealt with Islamic doctrine and history. In every case their primary ideas fail.

Christians believe that “love conquers all.” Well, love does not conquer Islam. Christians have a difficult time seeing Islam as a political doctrine, not a religion. The sectarian nature of Christian thought means that the average non-Orthodox Christian has no knowledge or sympathy about the Orthodox Christian’s suffering.

Jews have a theology that posits a unique relationship between Jews and the creator-god of the universe. But Islam sees the Jews as apes who corrupted the Old Testament. Jews see no connection between Islam’s political doctrine and Israel.

Black intellectuals have based their ideas on the slave/victim status and how wrong it was for white Christians to make them slaves. Islam has never acknowledged any of the pain and suffering it has caused in Africa with its 1400-year-old slave trade. But blacks make no attempt to get an apology from Muslims and are silent in the presence of Islam. Why? Is it because Arabs are their masters?

Multiculturalism is bankrupt against Islam’s demand for every civilization to submit. The culture of tolerance collapses in the face of the sacred intolerance of dualistic ethics. Intellectuals respond by ignoring the failure.

Our intellectuals and artists have been abused for 1400 years. Indeed, the psychology of our intellectuals is exactly like the psychology of the abused wife, the sexually abused child or rape victim. Look at the parallels between the response of abuse victims and our intellectuals. See how violence has caused denial.

The victims deny that the abuse took place: Our media never reports the majority of jihad around the world. Our intellectuals don’t talk about how all of the violence is connected to a political doctrine.

The abuser uses fear to control the victim: What was the reason that newspapers would not publish the Mohammed cartoon? Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence for his novel. What “cutting edge” artist creates any artistic statement about Islam? Fear rules our intellectuals and artists.

The victims find ways to blame themselves: We are to blame for the attacks on September 11, 2001. If we try harder Muslims will act nicer. We have to accommodate their needs.

The victim is humiliated: White people will not talk about how their ancestors were enslaved by Islam. No one wants to claim the victims of jihad. Why won’t we claim the suffering of our ancestors? Why don’t we cry about the loss of cultures and peoples? We are too ashamed to care.

The victim feels helpless: “What are we going to do?” “We can’t kill 1.3 billion people.” No one has any understanding or optimism. No one has an idea of what to try. The only plan is to “be nicer.”

The victim turns the anger inward: What is the most divisive issue in today’s politics? Iraq. And what is Iraq really about? Political Islam. The Web has a video about how the CIA and Bush planned and executed September 11. Cultural self-loathing is the watchword of our intellectuals and artists.

We hate ourselves because we are mentally molested and abused. Our intellectuals and artists have responded to the abuse of jihad just as a sexually abused child or a rape victim would respond. We are quite intellectually ill and are failing at our job of clear thinking. We can’t look at our denial.

FP: So summarize for us why it is so crucial for us to learn the doctrine of political Islam.

Warner: Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.

We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated.

Or put another way: if we do not learn the doctrine of political Islam, our civilization will be annihilated just as Egypt’s Coptic civilization was annihilated.

Since unbelievers must know the doctrine of political Islam to survive, CSPI has written all of its books in simple English. Our books are scholarly, but easy to read. As an example, anyone who can read a newspaper can pick up A Simple Koran and read and understand it. It is not “dumbed down” and contains every single word of the original.

Not only is the language simple, but logic has been used to sort and categorize. Context and chronology have been restored. The result is a Koran that is an epic story ending in triumph over all enemies of Allah. All of our books and philosophy may be found at our center's website.

Islam declares that we are the enemies of Allah. If we do not learn the political doctrine of Islam we will end up just like the first victims of Islam—the tolerant, polytheist Arabs of Saudi Arabia who became the Wahabbis (a very strict branch of Islam) of today, the most intolerant culture on the face of the earth.

FP: Bill Warner, thank you for joining us today.

Warner: Jamie, thank you for your kindness and efforts.

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Tuesday, August 19, 2008



In the Koran it says, when you see an Infidel or a Kefir, kill him. With this attitude it seems Muslims do not want to live with anybody. They want countries with a 100% Muslim population. In 1947, when India was divided into a Muslim Country and a Hindu Country, Pakistan had a 20% Hindu population. They kicked them out or killed them and now they have a 1% Hindu population. In Bangladesh they had a 40% Hindu population, now they have 10% left.

In India, Kashmir had many Hindus but most have been kicked out or killed in recent times. Recently the Government wanted to give Hindus a few acres of land near Amarnath pilgrimage in the Himalaya Mountains, and the Muslims of Kashmir rioted because they believe that the Hindus will make a colony of Hindus in Kashmir. This is absurd, who wants to live on the top of the mountains. The Hindu society only wanted to construct a building for people to stay in when they came for darshan on their pilgrimage. The big riots by the Muslims in Kashmir and Jammu which is part of Kashmir where Hindus are in the majority, have also rioted in protest as the Indian Government decided not to give the land to the Hindus. The Indian Government gives money to the Muslims to go to the Haj which they like, but they do not want give anything to the Hindus. Now the Kashmir Muslims are saying, “We don’t want any Hindus coming to live in Kashmir, but told the Muslims in Jammu that Muslims who are the minority should not leave Jammu. I would like to say, “If the Muslims of Kashmir do not want Hindus to come live among them then the Hindus should tell the Muslims to go home and live with Muslims.” The VHP have told the Muslims of India that if the Indian Government does not give the land to the Hindus in Amarnath then we will not let Muslims go from Mumbai for Haj. So this thing has become stuck. The congress party that is ruling India has created this mess and they do not know how to resolve it.

Muslims think they are pure and they do not want to live with anybody. I’m from Ahmedabad and was once visiting my hometown and I decided to go into the city. By mistake I entered into the Muslim area and I realized that I was there, and I got a lot of dirty looks which said, “Why have you, a Hindu come here.” I heard in France, there are Muslim ghettos, where only Muslims live. Apparently they do not like to live among Christians either. Now I understand that the Kashmir’s of India want Independence from India. I recommend that if they don’t like a secular country where all of us have to live lovingly and peacefully together that they should leave India (Hindustan) and go live in one of the already established Muslim countries. There are many failed Muslim countries available for them where they are fed by American dollars. The US gives Pakistan two Billion Dollars a year. May God Bless America. They borrow money from China and give it to Muslim countries as a pacifier.

Here is a strong leader, the Prime Minister of Australia John Howard, said, the following:

“Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.”

So, are we going to live in this world together peacefully, or are we going to have a Muslim world where there is no room for anybody else and no one left to take care of them.
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Thursday, August 14, 2008


Birth ceases when all attachments are severed;
Otherwise, one beholds unceasingly the transitoriness of life.

Attach yourself to Him who is free from all attachments.
Bind yourself to that bond in order that all other bonds may be broken.

-Tirukkural 35: 349-350
Excerpted from the Tirukkural, translated


In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem.

One day one fellow met the great philosopher and said, "Do you know what I just heard about your friend?"

"Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."

"Triple filter?"

"That's right," Socrates continued.

"Before you talk to me about my friend, it might be a good idea to take a moment and filter what you're going to say. That's why I call it the triple filter test.

The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't know if it's true or not.Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, but you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even useful, why tell it to me at all?" This is why Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem. Friend, use this triple filter each time you hear loose talk about any of your near and dear friends.

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008


A beggar stopped a man and told him:

Sir two years ago you used to give me twenty rupees each time; then for one year you gave me four rupees; and for the last month you are only giving me two rupees each time.

The man replied, two years ago I was unmarried and then I got married so I gave you four rupees each time; and now that I have got a child I can only give you two Rs,

Oh, so you are running your family at my expense, the beggar told the man.

Marta kya na karta - what loyalty

A man belonging to a long-standing political party was dying. His friends came to know that he had switched his loyalties to the opposition party at the time of his impending death.

They were astonished and asked him why he did that.

The man replied, "Oh! I'd rather one of them die."


The Door Stopper

Two church members were going door to door. They knocked on the door of a woman who clearly was not happy to see them. She told them in no uncertain terms she did not want to hear their message and then slammed the door in their faces.

To her surprise, the door did not close. In fact, it bounced back open.Seeing the two church members at the door frustrated her. She stormed back to the door and flung it shut.

But the door still didn't close. Furious, she grabbed the door with two hands and shoved it as hard as she could. But again, the door wouldn't shut.

Convinced one of these rude church members was sticking a foot in the door, she reared back to give the door a slam that would really teach them a lesson.

Just then, one of the church members said, "Ma'am, before you do that again, you might want to move your cat."


Sher Agrawal

[prohindu] 800 terror cells unearthed in India

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:36 AM
800 terror cells unearthed in India
Aug. 12, 2008 - PTI

Indian intelligence agencies have uncovered at least 800 terrorist cells in the country operating with "external support," and are now looking for the brains behind them within India, National Security Adviser M K Narayanan has said.

"We are concerned that there is a great deal of external inspiration and support, we are also concerned and are looking at a mastermind within the country," Narayanan told Singapore's Straits Times in an interview, when asked about investigations into the blasts that rocked Bengaluru and Ahmedabad on consecutive days.

Narayanan said intelligence agents had "disrupted" several modules, some of which are "not entirely foreign".
"Clearly, there is some kind of organisation. We have to find out if that organisation is localised or there is an external group or module operating," he said without elaborating.

He also expressed concern over the bombing of hospitals by terror outfits in Ahmedabad [Images] -- the first instance of a hospital being targeted by terrorists in India. "Copycat systems are coming up," he said.

"Like putting bombs in vehicles near hospitals soon after blasts, knowing that large congregations will be there and impact will be much greater," Narayanan said.

800 Terror cells, and thanks to UPA for abolishing POTA!

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Tuesday, August 12, 2008


Sher Agrawal

[sadhaka] On Chanting and Reciting God's Name (June 16)

sadhak_insight Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM
:Shree Hari:

16th June, 2008, Monday
Jyeshtha Shukla Trayodashi, Vikram Samvat 2065, Somvar

If you turn to God, all the sins of previous births will be washed

"Sanmukh hoyi jeev mohi jabhi, Janam koti agh naasahin tabhi."

You commit sins only when you turn away from God. Therefore seek
refuge at His lotus feet saying "O Lord, I am only Yours and only
You are mine." This feeling that you belong to God and God belongs
to you is the essence of true devotion. God cannot be easily
attainable by performing rituals. However He is easily attainable
by those who develop love for Him. Performing good deeds like -
sacrifice (yagnas), doing charity, visiting holy places
(pilgrimage), studying the scriptures are all useful, but none of
these are as powerful as the feeling of belonging to God - God is
mine and I am His.

Let us take the example of a millionnaire simply to illustrate this
point. The millionnaire has a manager who gets a decent salary each
month. The millionnaire's son is a useless and does nothing. He is
incapable of earning even minimum wages. But when the rich man
dies, his riches will be inherited not by the able manager, but by
the worthless son, for the simple reason that the later is the
millionnaire's son. Thus in this matter the inheritor's abilities
do not count. What really matters is that the inheritor is the rich
man's own son. Like the millionnaire's son, we are all the children
of God, irrespective of our ability or inability. It is an
established fact that we belong to Him. God always regards us as
His children.

"Mamaivaansho jeeva loke jeeva bhoota sanaatanah." (Gita 7:19)

The only requirement is that we accept this relation with God and
develop the feeling that we are His very own.

This world will deceive you in the end. It will desert you and this
body that you consider your own will not live forever. That too
will desert you. It is sheer ignorance to regard this world and
this body as your own. Turn away from them, say to God, "O Lord, I
am Your very own and You are mine". If you develop this feeling,
you will attain Eternal Bliss.

Practice chanting /reciting His name "Nama-Japa" with a feeling
that you belong to God. Whatever name you like of God, whether it
be "Ram Ram" or "Radhe Radhe" or any divine / holy name and form of
God that you believe in. Whether you are literate or illiterate,
sick or healthy, you have equal right to chanting His name "Nama
Japa", just as we have a right to inherit our father's property.
Similiarly, we are entitled to the property of our Divine Father,
i.e. we are entitled to chant His Holy Name.

This has been described in details in the Upanishads when Saint
Narada approached Lord Brahma and enquired on how one could achieve
salvation in Kali yug (age) ? and Brahmaji's reply was - through
chanting / reciting God's Divine Name.

From "The Divine Name" by Swami Ramsukhdasji in English pg 36

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Saturday, August 09, 2008


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• Hindu Vote is Sacred • Hindu Renaissance • Sustaining Dharma • Save Mandirs•
"Unless the country is protected, Dharma cannot be protected, and unless Dharma is protected, the country cannot be protected. ....also, protect the Dharmi to protect Dharma, and remember: 'Hindu Vote is Sacred: Never Barter it Away' -- This should be our refrain/campaign all over India, at this critical juncture. We should demand follow-up action on the Historic ‘Tirupati Declaration’ (July 15, 2006), the three cardinal Articles of which are: 1) 'We Hindus assembled here, in Tirupati, declare that we do not support, directly or indirectly, any group, institution, religion, media, or political force, which preaches, practices or works against Hindu Dharma in this country'; 2) 'We appeal to all the Hindus in this country and elsewhere to subscribe to and support this declaration, the Tirupati Declaration'; 3) 'We want all the Hindu religious endowments to be managed by Hindu bodies, and not by the government. We want the secular government to release all religious endowments from its hold.' " -- Swami Dayananda Saraswati.
(Government Control of Hindu Temples in India -- A Blatant Violation of Secularism & Religious Freedom)

Aug 9, 2008

The volcano of Hindu fury erupts sometimes

The Bushfire of Hindu Rage

Kill Jihadi Outfits

Hindu Revolution in Jammu and Kashmir

All concerned would do well
to look at the root cause of Hindu fury,
and try to address their frustrations.

* Instead of appealing for calm and communal harmony, political leaders, journalists, and spiritual leaders, would do well to look at the root cause of Hindu fury, and try to address their frustrations.

* Hindus have had enough. If this government, or the next, does not take note of their frustrations, we might very well see more Jammus erupting in the coming months and years.

Hindus gave refuge to all persecuted minorities of the world. It’s a pity that these two communities (Christians and Muslims) turned against their Hindu brethren, the former by way of lured conversions, and the latter with bloody invasions.

Hindus, who accept everybody and welcome all religions, are mocked and bombs are planted in their markets, their trains and temples are attacked, they are chased out of their homelands; television and newspapers make fun of them, their own politicians ostracise them.

So, sometimes, Enough is Enough. At some point, Hindus, the most peace-loving people in the world, those Mahatma Gandhi once called gently ‘cowards’, erupt in fury — uncontrolled fury.

Hindus never complain about their government giving billion of rupees to Indian Muslims for the pilgrimage to Mecca. But when Hindus need shelters, toilets and basic facilities at a height of 15,000 feet to worship at Amarnath, it is denied by the same government. So they erupt in fury.

Instead of appealing for calm and communal harmony, political leaders, journalists, and spiritual leaders, would do well to look at the root cause of Hindu fury, and try to address their frustrations.

Journalists should also do a little bit of introspection. Hindus have had enough. If this government, or the next, does not take note of their frustrations, we might very well see more Jammus erupting in the coming months and years.

-- François Gautier

* * *

INSTEAD of calling an all-party meet to resolve the Jammu and Kashmir row, the government would do well to try to understand the fury of Hindus and not limit the scope of the introspection to the Amarnath issue. Are Hindus angry only with the hypocrisy of the government on the land issue? Are there no other topics that make them furious?

Hindus are a peace-loving people. The average Hindu is easy-going and accepts you and your diversity, whether you are Christian, Muslim, Parsi or Jain, Arab, French or Chinese. He goes about his business and usually does not interfere in yours. In fact they take it a little further: They hate trouble and go out of their way to avoid it.

Everywhere in the world, on the other hand, Hindus are hounded and humiliated; be it in Fiji where an elected government was twice deposed in an armed coup, or in Pakistan and Bangladesh, where Muslims target Hindus every time they want to vent their anger against India (read Taslima Nasreen’s book Lajja). There were one million Hindus in the valley of Kashmir in 1900. Only a few hundred are left today, the rest having been forced to flee through terror. In Assam, Tripura, or Nagaland, Hindus are being outnumbered by Bangladeshi illegal immigrants and terrorised by pro-Christian separatist groups, such as the Bodos or the Mizos, while local governments often turn a blind eye. Their temples are being taken over in states like Kerala or Karnataka, the donations appropriated by the state governments.

Yet in 3,500 years of known existence, Hindus have never invaded another country and never tried to impose their religion upon others. No, it has rather been through peaceful invasions that Hinduism has stormed the world, whether in the East, witness Angkor Wat, or in the West today, where the byproducts of Hinduism, yoga, meditation, ayurveda, pranayama have been adopted by millions.

Hindus also gave refuge to all persecuted minorities of the world. It’s a pity that these two communities turned against their Hindu brethren, the former by way of lured conversions, and the latter with bloody invasions.

Hindus, who accept everybody and welcome all religions, are mocked and bombs are planted in their markets, their trains and temples are attacked, they are chased out of their homelands; television and newspapers make fun of them, their own politicians ostracise them.

So, sometimes, Enough is Enough. At some point, Hindus, the most peace-loving people in the world, those Mahatma Gandhi once called gently ‘cowards’, erupt in fury — uncontrolled fury.

Yes, one should condemn the Gujarat pogrom, but one should look also at the causes. It is not only the 36 innocent Hindu women and children who were burnt to death in a train by a mob of criminals. It is also how much silent frustration and anger must have built over the years, decades, or centuries even, amongst Gujarati Hindus, that in one moment, 1,25.000 Hindus, normal, peaceful people, came out on the streets of Ahmedabad with such fury.

The same thing is true of Jammu and the Amarnath issue. Hindus never complain about their government giving billion of rupees to Indian Muslims for the pilgrimage to Mecca. But when Hindus need shelters, toilets and basic facilities at a height of 15,000 feet to worship at Amarnath, it is denied by the same government. So they erupt in fury.

Instead of appealing for calm and communal harmony, instead of giving us all this eyewash about a 500-year-old Dargah ‘mostly patronised by Hindus’ political leaders, journalists, and spiritual leaders, would do well to look at the root cause of Hindu fury, and try to address their frustrations.

Journalists should also do a little bit of introspection. Hindus have had enough. If this government, or the next, does not take note of their frustrations, we might very well see more Jammus erupting in the coming months and years.

The volcano of Hindu fury erupts sometimes
François Gautier
Thursday August 7 2008 02:16 IST

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Islamists have denied

the fundamental right of Hindus

to visit their sacred pilgrimage,

Amarnaath, in their own homeland of Kashmir.

* No body else, nor any divine power is going to save the Hindus of Kashmir, or the Hindus of India. The Hindu has to be become more assertive, even more aggressive. That is about the size of it.

* Hindus of the world: Make no mistake about it. The Hindu society is under siege, not only in Kashmir, but in the rest of India as well. The politics of Phoney-Liberalism is striving to throttle, Hinduism out of existence. The brave Hindus must recognize the dire future of the Hindu, and take prompt steps to reverse this trend, by taking charge of his destiny, and by being prepared to pay the price of Hinduism defense. It is a simple choice.

-- Surinder Paul Attri

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From: surinder attri

date: Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Subj: Dodging the Islamic-Jehad will not save the Hindu

1. Demonstration against religious cleansing by Kashmiri Islamists
Venue: High Commission of India, India House, Aldwych
Time: 2pm on Thursday 14th August

Kashmiri Pandits have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland by an evil ideology of Islamists and to which the Government of India has bowed out of fear for the last 60 years.

Last month these Islamists have denied the fundamental right of Hindus to visit their sacred pilgrimage, Amarnaath, in their own homeland of Kashmir.
A Spate of attacks has begun again against the homes of innocent Hindus who ask for the safety of their sacred Pilgrimages and the visiting Pilgrims.
The Indo European Kashmir Forum (IEKF), supported by Hindu Council UK, condemns this violent ideology of Islamists and further it condemns the Government of India for not protecting the peaceful rights of all its citizens.

2. My Take:

The Sullas of Kashmir have been carrying out their Jehadic-war, against the Kafir-Hindus with active support from Pakistan & other Islamic countries. These Moslem-Mujahdeens have been giving sleepless nights, even to the Hindus of Jammu (a Hindu majority area of Kashmir). Hindus so far have tried to dispel this Jehadic violence, by trying to dodge it. But this Islamic hatred of Kafirs, cannot be dispelled, by simply dodging it. It has to be confronted squarely with steady hands and with resoluteness of the mind. A conciliatory attitude on the Hindu, achieves not a damn thing.

3. Moslems are told that, killing a Kafir is a sure passport to Janat (Moslem's Paradise). He who kills a Kafir, goes to Janat. If instead of confronting Islam, we try to dodge it, we do a moronic act, and are inviting the slaughter of the Hindu. It is the conciliatory attitude of the Hindu that has been letting the Hindu down, for the last 1200 years. I hope the Hindu learns from his past mistakes.

4. Another mistake that the Hindu makes is sending appeals to the government of Kashmir, to the government of India, & even to the UNO, to break the strangle-hold of Islam, over the life and fortunes of the Hindus of Kashmir. Instead of taking charge of his own destiny, the Hindu has been depending on others, to solve his problems. The Hindu so far has not realized that, Hinduism Defense is the job of the Hindu. No body else, nor any divine power is going to save the Hindus of Kashmir, or the Hindus of India. The Hindu has to be become more assertive, even more aggressive. That is about the size of it.

5. Hindus of the world: Make no mistake about it. The Hindu society is under siege, not only in Kashmir, but in the rest of India as well. The politics of Phoney-Liberalism is striving to throttle, Hinduism out of existence. The brave Hindus must recognize the dire future of the Hindu, and take prompt steps to reverse this trend, by taking charge of his destiny, and by being prepared to pay the price of Hinduism defense. It is a simple choice.

-- Surinder Paul Attri

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Jammu unrest, a people's movement

* It is praise-worthy to notice that Hindus of Jammu, are finally coming out in droves, to protest the inhumanities that have been inflicted upon them for decades (if not for centuries) & are still being inflicted upon the Hindus. That is a good take-off movement, but the Hindus of Jammu must take charge of their destiny, and not depend upon slogan-shouting or protesting alone. They must put their enormous resources of education, intellectualism, earning-skills, and financial resources, to convert them into enormous Hindu-Power.

* The fruits of victory were snatched away from our brave & victorious soldiers in Kashmir, in the year of 1948. Had our soldiers been allowed to clear out the Sulla-raiders, from the whole of Kashmir, there would not have been any insurgency in the valley of Kashmir, nor would there have been any Article 370 in our constitution. Our dumb politicians sure let us down. Little did these dumb politicians realize, the International Islamic conspiracy to eliminate Kafirs, and to balkanize the country of India.

* It is a total disgrace for the proud Hindus of India, to let the traitors of Kashmir run things for us Hindus, and to terrorize & brutalize the Hindu.

-- Surinder Paul Attri

* * *

From: surinder attri

Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:58 PM

1. Jammu unrest, a people's movement

Vikram Chowdhary

Friday, August 08, 2008, (Jammu)

Despite all the politicisation of the Amarnath land row, the people of Jammu feel this is a movement that has started from them.

The rich and famous of Jammu are all out on the streets in the posh Gandhi Nagar area of Jammu.

Vikram Handa, a doctor in the region says it's a spontaneous move. He and his wife Gurpreet, a school principal have been doing their bit to support the campaign. They are making CDs' and distributing it free of cost to others.

Vikram said, "It's a movement of the people, there is no leader there is no lecturing in our group, we all go out together and we come together. There is no leader, nobody controls us its just the people's movement."

What began as a move by a handful of members of the Amarnath yatra Sangarsh Samiti has now become a mass movement with nearly a thousand people on board.

And with each day more and more people are joining in the campaign holding peace marches.

They assert that they don't belong to any political party.

Gurpreet said, "Door to door we have done canvassing and people are coming out, much beyond our control, but see this is cause for everyone, nobody is doing for one another, we are doing for ourselves, we want land and nothing short of land."

From a feeble political movement to a mass movement -passionate campaigners like Handas won't let the momentum die down if the solution is not acceptable to them.

Political efforts

An all-party delegation led by Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil will undertake a two-day visit to Jammu and Srinagar from Saturday in an attempt to end the Amarnath land transfer row.

The delegation comprises of about 12 leaders drawn from different political parties.

After more than a month long agitation, things were much calmer in Jammu on Thursday with the Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti that's been leading the agitation saying that its willing to talk to the government.

Prime minister Manmohan Singh also spoke to BJP leader L K Advani over the phone, who is understood to have told him that his party's cooperation would depend on government initiating a dialogue with the Amarnath Sangarsh Samiti.

My Take:

It is praise-worthy to notice that Hindus of Jammu, are finally coming out in droves, to protest the inhumanities that have been inflicted upon them for decades (if not for centuries) & are still being inflicted upon the Hindus. That is a good take-off movement, but the Hindus of Jammu must take charge of their destiny, and not depend upon slogan-shouting or protesting alone. They must put their enormous resources of education, intellectualism, earning-skills, and financial resources, to convert them into enormous Hindu-Power.

2. The fruits of victory were snatched away from our brave & victorious soldiers in Kashmir, in the year of 1948. Had our soldiers been allowed to clear out the Sulla-raiders, from the whole of Kashmir, there would not have been any insurgency in the valley of Kashmir, nor would there have been any Article 370 in our constitution. Our dumb politicians sure let us down. Little did these dumb politicians realize, the International Islamic conspiracy to eliminate Kafirs, and to balkanize the country of India.

3. If our Hindu politicians had been assertive, Kashmir today would have been just like any other state of India, like Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Panjab, Gujerat et al. But that is not so, and now the traitors of Kashmir (the Sullas) are raising hell in Kashmir, and the Hindus of Kashmir & of the rest of India, have been tolerating their non-sense & their militant Islamic Fundamentalism, which should have been decimated. Even now, the only sensible approach is to eradicate the traitorous elements of Kashmir, no matter how much effort it takes. It is a total disgrace for the proud Hindus of India, to let the traitors of Kashmir run things for us Hindus, and to terrorize & brutalize the Hindu.

4. It is manifestly impossible to compromise or negotiate with the Sulla. The Sulla must be put in his place, and crushed. That is the only option, if the Hindu wants to live in peace.

-- Surinder Paul Attri

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Appeasement is never good for a nation

From: Surinder Paul Attri
Date: Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:47 AM

Subj: Appeasement is never good for a nation

1. Appeasement never works, especially when it comes to dealing with the Moslems. Appeasement of the Sullas of Kashmir, does not have ghost of a chance, for any Hindu politician. Moslems are taught ( indoctrinated ) that Islam is superior to all other religions, as a consequence Moslems are superior to all others (Kafirs or Non-Moslem Infidels), and are destined to rule over the world, and that it is the duty of every Moslem to spread the sway of Islam. Mullahs & Maulvi constantly harp on the theme that, the cowardly Hindu can never win in a battle against the Islamist forces, and that the flag of Islam must be hoisted on this Kafir-Land (that is, Hindustan/India ).

2. The origin of the Kashmiri-Moslem’s separatism was in the setting up of All Jammu & Kashmir National Conference, with Sheikh Abdullah as its president. In its thinking & objectives, it was exactly like the Moslem League of India, and was committed to the overthrow of the Dogra rule of Kashmir. Neither Nehru nor the Indian National Congress realized the separatist/traitorous nature of Sheikh Abdullah, and displayed deplorable lack of clarity of thinking. Abdullah continued to harp on the theme of, unique nature of Kashmir, and the right of Kashmiri people to freedom on withdrawal of British power from India.

3. Both Nehru & the Congress continued to pamper this good-for-nothing Kashmiri-Sulla (Sheikh Abdullah ), and we now know the Frankenstein’s monster that has grown out of it, in the state of Kashmir, with a prescription for disaster written for the Hindus of Kashmir, by quack-politicians, who were ruling the roast at that point in time. Behind the craftiness of Abdullah was his dream of an independent Islamic-Sheikdom for himself. He found the Islamic-Clergy & Madrassa teachers, as invaluable allies in securing the frenzied support of the Moslem masses of Kashmir, with strong indoctrination in every mosque, every maktab, every madrassa, & every Islamic institution, for instruction in the teachings of Quran. In this way, Abdullah prepared a firm foundation for the separation of Kashmir from India.

4. Many years have gone by since the days of traitor Sheikh Abdullah, but we have let things go on as usual, and learned nothing. Hindus by & large have not realized that, Sullas of Kashmir are loyal only to their Islam, and the Phoney-Liberal Hindu politicians are loyal only to their pockets. As a consequence, the malignant tumor of subversion and secession has invaded every part of the Kashmir valley.

5. In spite of all these disasters of the past, the Hindus of Kashmir can still win, but only if they can muster up enough courage & determination to win. The intellectual, educational, job-skills, and financial resources of the Hindu, are far superior to corresponding resources of the Sullas. Hindu has lot of power, but is not using his enormous power, because of the habit of passivity & defensiveness, sanctioned only by customs of the past. Most important thing that the Hindu has to do is to stop thinking of insurgents as Moslems, but to regard them as traitors. Hindu has no other choice. Kashmir is the Hindu’s land, and it is the duty of the Hindu, to defend his homeland. In this war, there is no room for leniency or compassion for the traitorous Sullas of Kashmir. Hindus of the rest of India, cannot abandon their Kashmiri Hindu Brethren, and must come out with open support, to defend their kith & kin living in Kashmir.

6. Can this be done? Absolutely yes. We are living in the world of high-technology & force-multipliers. In these areas, the Hindu is way ahead of his Sulla-Counterpart. Hindu only needs RKOPs (right kind of people ), to lead his battle of destiny. Such RKOPs do exist, and can be put to use in the service of Hindu Order.

Surinder Paul Attri

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Assert India's Hindu identity
Gautam Mukherjee

India is its own worst enemy because it artificially denies the sentiments and inclinations, if not the rights, of the majority of the people in the name of a bizarre and unsustainable 'secularism'. This has been so from the birth of this nation, 62 years ago, grown out of a desire to differentiate ourselves from Islamic Pakistan, even though we often disguise this arrogant perversity as robust democratic discourse. But can we afford to go on denying our majoritarian birthright and debilitating our will? Can we afford to ignore that those gaining from our stance are the enemies of our nation?

India must realise that rescue lies in shifting the entire polity sharp right, standing up and being counted as a Hindu-majority country, with equal rights and protections for our many minority communities. It may well feel akin to moving a very heavy oak conference table. But making this move to the right, and truthfulness, would change the political tone, tenor and content of debate, and signal, once and for all, that we have had enough of being exploited by fringe elements.

We all realise, patently, that every Leftist is not a Maoist, every rough-hewn citizen is not a gangster, and every Muslim is not a terrorist. But we need to protect the one and destroy the other if we, the rest of us, want to survive. And we need to get much better at telling one from the other. And also, very importantly, we have to stop subverting the interests of the majority continually in favour of one minority or the other that seems committed not only to irritating brinkmanship but ultimately to a dark and mysterious self-destructiveness.

We have too many permanent burning issues and a much-bloodied landscape already. But with a shift to the right by the demands of common sense led by the major political parties, we will benefit the economy as well, combining pragmatic policies with an openly majoritarian bias to replace an unsustainable hypocrisy.

Otherwise, in the face of political cant and apathy, it is anarchy, fuelled by the frustration of both motivated and ordinary people, that will inexorably take over. It is anarchy unchecked that animates all agitations in India nowadays, more so than when VS Naipaul called it "a million mutinies now," with the law and its enforcers missing in action.

And everywhere, whether it be a land acquisition related protest or anti-industrialisation agitation at Nandigram or Singur in West Bengal, Maoist mayhem in Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Orissa, Gujjar self-assertion in Rajasthan, anti-Dera agitation in Punjab and, of course, the mother of all institutionalised ferment, that crown of thorns called Kashmir, no one seems to be the least bit scared of retribution.

If only we were Chinese, we wouldn't have a Jammu & Kashmir problem at all. If we were Chinese, we would set about reneging on Article 370 even before the ink was dry on the document sanctioning it. The Chinese do not allow previous commitments to get in the way of present expediency, let alone their strategic interest. They have learned their lessons well, from being at the receiving end of their own colonial experience replete with horrendous European and Japanese exploitation and opium-addicted slavery. The Chinese have also learned from the solemn treaty-breaking ways of the imperial British Empire and, indeed, from the actions of the current king-of-the-world, the unilateral and all-powerful United States of America.

So if we were Chinese, we would not hesitate to put down the cynical and unruly politics of the Kashmir Valley, pressing it into ruthless submission. We would have no compunctions about disabusing the Valley politicians of their grandiose notions. We would engineer a massive demographic rebalancing -- aided, abetted, and incentivised -- all over this multi-religious and vast country. We would deliberately and swiftly change the character and dynamics of Jammu & Kashmir once and for all. There would be no Muslim-majority Kashmir any more than the Dalai Lama and his followers can hope to see a Tibetan-majority Tibet.

If we were Chinese, we would set about putting right historic wrongs. We would put all the shamefully displaced Pandits back where they belong, restoring their homes, land and dignity to them. In addition, we would extract reparations and indemnities for their trauma, suffering and humiliation from their erstwhile friends and neighbours turned tormentors and usurpers.

We would drive most, if not all, of the rabid Islamist terrorists and their vociferous supporters across the border. We would drive them into so-called 'Azad Kashmir' where they can savour life on the other side, much closer to their friends, compatriots and benefactors.

We would let the rest of the Islamists -- appropriately reoriented to ground realities and reminded of their duties as much as their rights from time to time -- participate in democratic discourse and hold high office if elected at all by the reformed electorate and the restorative magic of universal suffrage.

But being India, we continue to meekly accept, even as we may be forced to reconsider by popular outrage as is being witnessed in Jammu, the national humiliation enshrined as Article 370. An article and covenant which enables a coterie of fifth columnist politicians to openly favour Pakistani intervention and influence in the Kashmir Valley and and allows terrorists to hold the Indian Government as well as the Indian nation to ransom.

The infamous and unfair Article 370 is not only a bizarre historical inheritance but also lies at the root of much that is wrong with our national politics of appeasement. Article 370 was an act of capitulation from the start, understandable in the aftermath of 1947 when it was used to assuage the apprehensions of a Muslim-majority province in the backdrop of the partition. But why do we uphold it today? Where were such niceties when we stripped the princes of their titles, land and privy purses, and nationalised banks at will?

Indeed, in the face of Government paralysis and endemic impotence on issues concerning Kashmir, it is the people of Jammu who are showing the country the way forward. They are likely to get their way on Amarnath sooner or later and signal to all of us that the time has come to stop taking for granted the docile support of the majority community in the face of continuous injustice.

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This is Kashmiri baiting at its worst

The other voice: Sajad Lone | Chairman, J&K Peoples Conference

If the outcry against land transfer revocation was 'anti-Hindu' then why aren't Hindus all over India protesting? The ongoing blockade is an act of war against the Kashmiri nation.

The Amarnath Yatra has been facilitated by the Muslims of Kashmir for nearly two centuries now. The Yatra had was going on in both the colonial and post-1947 periods. The relationship between the Yatris and the people of Kashmir came into existence before the current geographical concept of India came into existence. The people of Kashmir treat the Yatris as their revered guests and are honoured to host the yatra.

The Government passed an order in May 2008 transferring approximately 100 acres of land to the Amarnath Shrine board. The people of Kashmir resented the land transfer order as it amounted to gross interference between the guests (Yatris) and the hosts (Kashmiris). The people of Kashmir agitated and the government relented and revoked the order.

Now we have an agitation in Jammu where the demand is to cancel the revocation order. Where does Jammu come in? In the entire history of the Amanath Yatra have the people of Jammu ever conducted the yatra? Did they ever make a demand that land be transferred to the Amarnath shrine board? A dispute arose between government, the people of Kashmir and the Amarnath shrine board -- which was duly resolved. Jammu was never a party to that dispute.

Now, if it was not a party to the dispute why should it be bothered about its outcome and start agitating ? One of the arguments being put forward is that the agitators in Kashmir were Muslims protesting against transfer of land to a Hindu shrine. Assuming this is true -- why are only the Hindus in Jammu protesting. If people of Kashmir have shown disrespect for a Hindu shrine, Hindus all around India would have protested. It is not a matter of Hindu versus Muslim, neither is the agitation in Jammu pro-Hindu. It is plainly a reflection of anti-Kashmiri venom.

The current agitation was initially facilitated by the state administration and now it seems to have gone out of hand. It is a free for all. Fanatic versions of Hindu demagoguery are openly on the show across Jammu. Rhetoricians are being pooled in with the help of Hindu nationalist parties to vitiate the environment and ensure communal turbulence.

The anti-Kashmiri venom in Jammu has been allowed to foment by the state administration and only after active facilitation have the hooligans and vandals been able to impose an economic blockade on the people of Kashmir. The economic blockade by the hooligan sections of the Jammu society is an act of war against the Kashmiri nation.

If a nation is forced into starvation by imposing a blockade it is an act of war. There is an unofficial embargo against the Kashmiris. Economic blockade constitutes an instrument of economic warfare as per international law. This particular mode of war has been historically used by sovereign states and by the UN Security Council. The only difference in the current economic blockade is that it is perhaps for the first time that hooligans and not sovereign states are imposing and enforcing an economic blockade. Economic pressure is being exerted in order to gain supremacy in the conflict. Even the most fascist states have exempted medicines and essential items from an economic blockade.

The current economic blockade imposed on the Kashmiris nourishes no such pretensions. Even baby milk powder and medicines are not being allowed. The export of horticulture products like apples has been strategically stopped to demolish the horticulture industry by ensuring that the apples are stranded into rot. This reminds us of the demolition of the horticulture industry of Gazans including the famed strawberries when Israelis enforced an economic blockade and strawberries worth millions of dollars rotted away.

The roots of the current malaise can be traced to coercive demography. The current demographic set up in the state of J & K is a hangover of the colonial era and has not evolved naturally. While the demographic structure in the colonial era was tailored to suit the erstwhile Maharaja of Kashmir. Post-1947, the demography was left unchanged to suit the political interests of the Indian state. The majority of the inhabitants of Jammu district, Kathua district and Udhampur city do not ethnically identify themselves with the rest of the state of J & K. These three areas have been redefined as the Jammu region and areas with intense Kashmiri ethnic roots like Doda, Bhaderwah, Kishtwar, Poonch, Rajouri, Basholi, Bani, Gool, Arnas have clubbed along with the Jammu region. This serves the purpose of marketing the concept of mismatch in regional aspirations.

So, if Jammu and Kathua agitate, the marketing version is that the entire Jammu region is agitating. Even in the current agitation it is only the two districts of Jammu and Kathua and Udhampur city which is basically on the boil.

The solution to the current conflict does not lie in resolving the land deal issue. The land deal issue is a convenient excuse and typifies the symptom not the disease. Treating the disease would mean allowing the nurturance of demography, defined by history and ethnicity.

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Indo-Asian News Service
Srinagar, August 08, 2008

Authorities put several separatist leaders under house arrest on Friday even as a complete shutdown crippled life in Srinagar.

Senior separatist leaders, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, Mirwaiz Umer Farooq and Shabir Ahmad Shah were put under house arrest by the authorities to prevent their proposed march to the headquarters of the United Nations Military Observers Group (UNMOG) in this summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir.

The separatist leaders had announced their march to the headquarters of UNMOG to present a memorandum against the alleged economic blockade of the Kashmir valley and the harassment of the minority Muslim community in the Jammu region.

Another senior separatist leader and chairman of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation front (JKLF) Muhammad Yasin Malik is in the intensive care unit of Soura Medical Institute here after his condition deteriorated on Thursday morning. Doctors attending on him said his condition was now stable.

All markets, educational institutions, banks and public transport remained closed here on Friday. Attendance in government offices was thin because of the non-availability of public transport in the city.

The supply of mutton and poultry was also hit as the valley depends entirely on Rajasthan and Delhi for its mutton supply. The local production of sheep is too low to meet the requirement.

According to reports, life was totally thrown out of gear in the south Kashmir districts of Anantnag, Pulwama, Shopian and Kulgam because of the shutdown. But there was no report of any untoward incident till noon.

Markets also remained closed in north Kashmir districts of Baramulla, Bandipora, Kupwara and Ganderbal.

The shutdown which entered its fourth day Friday began following the death of a protesting youth in the Maisuma locality of the city Tuesday.

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Jammu Vs. Kashmir
Lookback: Khursheed Wani

Saturday Special focuses on the unique trajectory acquired by Kashmiri separatism thanks to the Amarnath issue. With the Hindus of Jammu striking an uncharacteristically tough posture, one wonders if its time to reexamine the Owen Dixon plan.

Barring two districts of Leh and Kargil of Ladakh region, the entire Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) has been hit by the aftermath of the controversial land transfer order of May 26, 2008 diverting a chunk of 39.88 acres of land to Shri Amaranth Shrine Board (SASB). Even though the order was cancelled on July 1 following an unprecedented resistance in the Kashmir Valley followed by the breaking of the five-and-a-half-year coalition and fall of Ghulam Nabi Azad led government, the issue refused to die down. As Kashmir returned to normal after the celebrations on the cancellation of the order, the people in Jammu started exhibiting their strength to oppose the government's move. Against the nine-day-uprising in Kashmir, the social, political and religious groups in Jammu under the banner of Amarnath Yatra Sangarsh Samiti (AYSS) started a new agitation which resembled a Hindu Intifada to compel the Governor's administration to reverse the cancellation order. It accused the Government of prostrating in front of "anti-India and separatist elements backed by terrorists".

Governor NN Vohra, whose involvement in J&K affairs since 2002 as the Centre's interlocutor qualified him to occupy Raj Bhawan in Srinagar, failed to sense the fallout of the land transfer issue. Eventually, he ignored the brewing resentment in Jammu city and its Hindu-dominated adjoining areas. The situation became apparent, at least for the Governor, when it took a communal turn. The agitators in Jammu warned the Kashmiris to leave the area and announced to block the 300-kilometer Srinagar-Jammu National Highway, the lone fair-weather lifeline of the Valley. Dozens of vehicles were torched and supplies to the Valley including those of essential commodities were stopped. The worsening situation forced the authorities to clamp curfew in Jammu and the police resorted to firing at Samba that killed two protestors, an incident that was witnessed in Jammu first time in several decades.

The Jammu agitation took place at a time when fruit season was at its peak in Kashmir. Each day, dozens of fruit-laden trucks were making their way to markets in Delhi and other states through the volatile parts of Jammu. Elements in the Jammu agitation targeted these trucks to make their voices heard and felt.

This evoked a chain reaction in the valley. The separatists, as also the mainstream political parties including the PDP and the National Conference, were quick to refer the emerging situation to as "economic blockade" of Kashmir. The separatists attempted to give the situation an international colour. Mirwaiz Omar Farooq, head of a faction of Hurriyat Conference appealed to the UN and the OIC to help Kashmiris out of the "grim situation". The traders and the fruit growers, backed and encouraged by the separatists, warned the government that failure of providing their vehicles a safe passage through would force them to divert their trucks towards Muzaffarabad and Rawalpindi. They even announced this on August 6.

The "Muzaffarabad chalo" slogan is gaining currency in the Valley. The mainstream parties, which are cashing in on the situation to set agenda for the forthcoming assembly elections, are identifying themselves with the slogan. Mehbooba Mufti, chief of the PDP, boasted that the Muzaffarabad road, which has been opened by "my father" would be the last resort for Kashmiris if the Jammuites did not lift their blockade. Farooq Abdullah, the patron of National Conference, began publicly questioning the wisdom of his father, Sheikh Muhammad Abdullah, who had decided to J&K joining India.

The administration is caught in a Catch-22 situation. On the one hand, the situation in Jammu is going out of hand with the Samiti gaining more public support. On the other, the separatists in Kashmir, emboldened by the outcome of June-end resistance, are ready to resist any decision by the government to tamper with the cancelled land transfer order. So, quite naturally, the all-party meeting convened by the Prime Minister in New Delhi failed to take any concrete step on the resolution of the crisis. Ironically, the politicians in Kashmir Valley as also in Jammu have least control on the diametrically opposite public sentiments. They follow the public rather than leading them, creating a precarious situation for the governor administration to handle.

The Governor's administration has started addressing the root of the problem to get out of the crisis. On Thursday, eight of the 10 members of the SASB tendered their resignations to him, paving the way for the reconstitution of the Shrine Board. One opinion is that that Governor would hand over the Chairmanship of the Board to an eminent Hindu personality of the state, preferably from Jammu, like the former Sadr-e-Riyasat, Karan Singh, or the former Chief Justice of India, Justice (retd) Adarsh Sen Anand, and include in the board representatives of the Kashmiri Pandits. The reconstituted Board would be given the overall responsibility of the conduct of annual yatra, besides authorising it to temporarily use the controversial land for erecting makeshift facilities for the pilgrims.

Observers say that the Governor's administration should use back channel methods to coax the Sangarsh Samiti as also the separatists in Kashmir to arrive on a compromise on the issue. Otherwise, it has the potential not only to disintegrate the state but also put a question mark on Kashmir's future with India.

-- The writer is The Pioneer's Srinagar Correspondent

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• Thought for the Day
• Poem of the Day
• Satsang Online - 1
• Satsang Online - 2
• The Individual Nature
• Appeal to Hindu Sadhus
• An important question to (a Mahatma) from one of his followers
• What makes you a Hindu?
• All about Hindu Dharma
• Glory and Grandeur of Sanatana Dharma
• New Flag for Hindu Defense
• The Saffron Book
• Significant Role of Temples
• Recapturing and reinstating our national identity
• Suppressed History of BhaaratVarsh
• Hindu Denigration
• Hindu intifada
• Hindu Revolution in Jammu and Kashmir
• Kashmir defines Hindu identity
• Being Frank and forthright
• Hindutva in search of a hero
• Holy Bible:Gospel of Jesus
• Expressions of Christianity
• Can you name the only Saint who left behind his two skeletons?
• The Myth of St. Thomas & the Mylapore Shiva Temple
• Legitimizing the destruction of Kapaleeshwara Temple to build the Santhome Church
• How many foreskins did Jesus have?
• 'Inculturation', a Danger to Communal Amity!
• Vicious conversion war on Hindus
• Foreign funds pouring in India for conversions
• Brief introduction to Mohammed & Islam
• The Oppression of Islam
• Slavery Terrorism and Islam
• Telling the truth about Islam
• Out of 22 active conflicts in the world today, 20 involve Moslems
• Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system
• What the Islamic invaders did to India
• Terror as a trump weapon of jehad
• Know Islam, Know Terror; No Islam, No Terror
• When a crime is legalised in the form of a religion
• All you want to know about Terrorism in India
• Christian Terrorism in India
• Do Islam & Christianity Respect Other Religions?
• What Islam and Christianity mean to a Hindu
• Hindu View of Christianity and Islam
• In which way you are “superior” to the Hindus?
• Are All Religions the Same?
• The myth of ‘Sarva Dharma Sama Bhava’
• Do all religions have the same goal?
• Victims of faiths
• Secular as communal
• Secularism has become communal!
• Anything anti-Hindu means to be perfectly secular
• Wolf in Sheep's clothing called secularism, which is really anti-Hinduism
• Macaulay Missionary Mullah Media Marxist nexus in India
• Is Sonia Gandhi a devout Hindu?
• “Sonia has a hidden anti-national agenda.”
• “The danger that Sonia represents for the nation.”

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